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What map would you rather play on?

rp_downtown_v4c_v2 (Original Rebirth map)
rp_downtown_tits_v1 (Current map)

Author Topic: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2  (Read 3248 times)

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2018, 01:59 am »
This is quite hard to be honest this is the way I see it.

Changing the map to v4c
-Pros-
Smaller
Attracts more players
Well known
-Cons-
Performance
Boring

I do think it will be better to go back to v4c for ByB in the short term but if we do pick more players up v4c is just a smegty map with the performance issues to have more then 40 players so either way we lose if we keep this map it's not fun without 40+ players if we go back to v4c its going to be laggy with lots of players.
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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2018, 05:18 am »
Even RP5's map was one of my favorites, not too big not too small. No matter what map is present, I still enjoy playing with the community.

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2018, 02:06 am »


Will always vote for this map 10/10 times, never had a better time on DARKRP

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2018, 05:46 am »
Im kinda biased loving the downtown maps, so v4c_v2 is a greate map within geograpich sizes. Nonsens changing bsck to v4c map because everyone is sick of it (incl me).

Reasons tits map is good:
- Players are not forced to have css installed.
- Its not a trillion mb sized map.
- Lighting are amazing beautiful.
- More police friendly.
- Admins have their own gm flatgrass to minge on.
- Better optimized.

Why not close some zones on the tits map before more players arrive? I have done that before with great sucsess.

PS: I have seen servers tricking people by changing the file name to this: rp_downtown_v4c_v2,  MARK the ',' at end.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2018, 05:50 am by claims »
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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2018, 05:09 pm »
Suck the vote is still for rp_tits. I personally think we should go back to the original RP4 map for a few reasons.


Maps to large for our community. Theres bases everywhere hiding and non hidden but server could be at 30 people and look like 5 people are on. Original map theres plenty of bases and when new people join they will see that theres activity going on, right now people are so spread out the server looks so dry and boring. TDM cars are trash im sorry yall put alot of effort into them but they dont work for RP, hard to drive, break easy, expensive. They say voice you opinion, i say whats the point but heres my opinion.

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2018, 05:48 pm »
V4c_v2 is an old ass map. It's been granfathered in and needs to go. With a community like this, a size like this we can get people to play on it. It's close enough to v4c_v2 where I think players are reasonably familiar and can deal with the change.

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2018, 05:14 am »
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Was a smeg and didn't see the fact that this is the second page of this discussion. RIP me. Gonna rephrase what I was going to say.


I absolutely agree this map runs significantly better than the old map. Hands down. But it's been roughly a week now and the server is steadily dying again. Now, I'm not against waiting another week, but I'd say we should try the following:

Instead of making this a binary choice of either tits or v4c, we take claims suggestion and just block off a couple areas of the map that are redundant for our size. Such as the factory district accessible via tunnel near fountain and the beach area.

If we aren't into editing the map and making people download a custom one then I'd say try out v4c and see how much we regret it or not.

Also, there's been discussion about cars, and in my previous post iteration I basically smeg on it, but I didn't take into account what the people wanted and focused entirely on functionality. That was a tad unfair. I still think they're not good whatsoever but there was someone on the server who made it their life goal to get one of the really good looking sports cars, so smeg. It's not like it specifically harms anyone at the moment.

'Tis my 2 cents.
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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2018, 05:32 am »
MAKE RAIDING GREAT AGAIN!

Revise every class that can't base or have a partner, ByB may be closing its doors September 4th, encourage playing together not solo!

Smaller map, RP1's old map would be good for our player count.

BMD: Needs Lockpicks, Keypad Crackers, Gas Masks, Gang if there's 5+ members

SWAT: Needs Nerf, built in DMG reduction is too much and we don't have enforcers like we did to balance it out on the defending side. SWAT can take like 6 50cals to the head I don't want to hear smeg from you pigs either, it's OP and driving people off the server.

Master Thief: Faster lockpicking and keypad crackers

Honestly, bring MADCOW back you don't fix what's not broke and remove cars

KidNapper: Longer knockout timer and able to be in a gang

Msg to all: This may be the last time ByB is alive and has a player base, stop being sour to each other, were struggling to keep a playerbase as is. Msg your friends tell them ByB is up and let's get some laughs in this summer, let's agree on somethings and get the ball rolling and push some fast updates to enjoy

Super Admins: Go RP, STOP ABUSING COMMANDS stop chasing people off the server with childish nonsense. NUKE THEIR COMMANDS FORCE THEM TO RP SERVER IS 85% ADMINS/MODS NO REASON FOR ANY SAOD/AOD GO ROLEPLAY!!!!!!

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2018, 07:12 am »
MAKE RAIDING GREAT AGAIN!

Revise every class that can't base or have a partner, ByB may be closing its doors September 4th, encourage playing together not solo!

Smaller map, RP1's old map would be good for our player count.

BMD: Needs Lockpicks, Keypad Crackers, Gas Masks, Gang if there's 5+ members

SWAT: Needs Nerf, built in DMG reduction is too much and we don't have enforcers like we did to balance it out on the defending side. SWAT can take like 6 50cals to the head I don't want to hear smeg from you pigs either, it's OP and driving people off the server.

Master Thief: Faster lockpicking and keypad crackers

Honestly, bring MADCOW back you don't fix what's not broke and remove cars

KidNapper: Longer knockout timer and able to be in a gang

Msg to all: This may be the last time ByB is alive and has a player base, stop being sour to each other, were struggling to keep a playerbase as is. Msg your friends tell them ByB is up and let's get some laughs in this summer, let's agree on somethings and get the ball rolling and push some fast updates to enjoy

Super Admins: Go RP, STOP ABUSING COMMANDS stop chasing people off the server with childish nonsense. NUKE THEIR COMMANDS FORCE THEM TO RP SERVER IS 85% ADMINS/MODS NO REASON FOR ANY SAOD/AOD GO ROLEPLAY!!!!!!

Taking points:

Map wise - It's iffy as smeg on a gmod community. Familiar maps do get players but popular maps still mean you are basically competing with other servers with the same map. rp_downtown_v4c would be okayish due to it sharing same coordinates with a fair few bases on current RP4, then again rp_downtown_v2 variant could still possibly get people if more of our old players committed to coming back and staying. In general - players on the server generates players.

BMD - Lockpicks, Keypad Crackers etc. ABSOLUTELY. It's a black market, of course it will have illegal smeg other than guns.

SWAT - Get rid of damage reduction and replace with maybe more default armour. That way once the armour is down you actually have a chance.

Master Thief - He's a master, might as well make him get the benefits rather than giving him just a gun.

Gun packs - M9K is a decent pack, yes it's OP and has a few bugs but I prefer it over madcows. What we could possibly do is implement CSS weapons the M9K base as well as the other M9K packs. This makes more variety of guns and CSS guns available.

Kidnapper - He's a criminal anyway, might as well allow them to base or do jobs for gangs. Increase knockout time to at least 40 seconds. Also it would help if 90% of kidnappers didn't just bludgeon you to take your guns and smeg off down the road with them, out of the past 10 times I have been knocked out not a single one was for being kidnapped, just to loot me.

Few pointers I'd like to make from experience and general knowledge on darkrp's playerbase:

1. It's filled with more kids than usual now, which means they aren't used to a more relaxed/mature gameplay similar to ByB. (Such as no adverting etc.)
What this means is we need to find a way to get some of the younger players interested in the server which will be hard because nearly every server you go on nowadays literally gives every child a free moderator rank just for literally showing up and asking. This also means that kids are used to admins being EVERYWHERE on every server spying on everyone and being there to cater to their every stupid need.

For example: Kid tries to mug someone, victim pulls a gun and slams the kid, kid cries to admin, admin says it's okay because byb doesn't follow the cancerous fearrp stuff, kid gets salty and is upset admins don't follow all of his stupid demands and hates the server due to it.

2. Gun Dealer, shotguns and handguns legal by default is stupid. Just require licensing for legal guns, what gun is legal should be determined by what the Gun Dealer sells, bring in more variety to the gun dealers to sell rather than 4 shotguns and a few handguns. Simply winchester 73 and M24's could be added to the gun dealer.

3. Familiarity - As I stated before what people see as familiar might get their attention, maybe do a slight rework of the rules or commands to suit some of the newer players. Such as making "@" in chat automatically transmit to the /report chat. Also possibly a server name change for example "ByB RP#4 | Jobs | Cars | M9K | Wire | $10,000 start" people seem to like servers that tell you the starting cash for some reason.

4. Helping newer players - Like I was mentioning about cash above, a lot of newer players instantly get raided or can't afford anything. I understand that your dedicated players have millions already but comparing to the average player who comes to just enjoy themselves and start playing seems to have problems getting money. The iron printers are garbage usually, we should just start printers back at silver like the old days (also for the love of god make silver printers silver again) and possibly bring back normal keypad doors since they seem to understand those more than the current one we have. (I honestly don't mind either)

5. Possible events - Possibly do a free supporter week or 2 to show newer players what we have to offer as well as maybe introducing some new jobs or revamped jobs. Easily add "Free VIP" to your server name (Yes call it VIP, more kids are familiar with the terms VIP or Donator over Supporter) even possibly do supporter discounts during the event. Speaking of new jobs, literally add some pointless jobs for no reason like every other smeg server does, for some reason kids love flying around as "spiderman" doing literally nothing but pretending they are spiderman. It's stupid as smeg but some stupid jobs do get people using them.

This is the end of my rant/opinion whatever. It's badly written but take the time to get some points out that could work and try to implement them.

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2018, 12:15 pm »
MAKE RAIDING GREAT AGAIN!

Revise every class that can't base or have a partner, ByB may be closing its doors September 4th, encourage playing together not solo!

Smaller map, RP1's old map would be good for our player count.

BMD: Needs Lockpicks, Keypad Crackers, Gas Masks, Gang if there's 5+ members

SWAT: Needs Nerf, built in DMG reduction is too much and we don't have enforcers like we did to balance it out on the defending side. SWAT can take like 6 50cals to the head I don't want to hear smeg from you pigs either, it's OP and driving people off the server.

Master Thief: Faster lockpicking and keypad crackers

Honestly, bring MADCOW back you don't fix what's not broke and remove cars

KidNapper: Longer knockout timer and able to be in a gang

Msg to all: This may be the last time ByB is alive and has a player base, stop being sour to each other, were struggling to keep a playerbase as is. Msg your friends tell them ByB is up and let's get some laughs in this summer, let's agree on somethings and get the ball rolling and push some fast updates to enjoy

Super Admins: Go RP, STOP ABUSING COMMANDS stop chasing people off the server with childish nonsense. NUKE THEIR COMMANDS FORCE THEM TO RP SERVER IS 85% ADMINS/MODS NO REASON FOR ANY SAOD/AOD GO ROLEPLAY!!!!!!

Taking points:

Map wise - It's iffy as smeg on a gmod community. Familiar maps do get players but popular maps still mean you are basically competing with other servers with the same map. rp_downtown_v4c would be okayish due to it sharing same coordinates with a fair few bases on current RP4, then again rp_downtown_v2 variant could still possibly get people if more of our old players committed to coming back and staying. In general - players on the server generates players.

BMD - Lockpicks, Keypad Crackers etc. ABSOLUTELY. It's a black market, of course it will have illegal smeg other than guns.

SWAT - Get rid of damage reduction and replace with maybe more default armour. That way once the armour is down you actually have a chance.

Master Thief - He's a master, might as well make him get the benefits rather than giving him just a gun.

Gun packs - M9K is a decent pack, yes it's OP and has a few bugs but I prefer it over madcows. What we could possibly do is implement CSS weapons the M9K base as well as the other M9K packs. This makes more variety of guns and CSS guns available.

Kidnapper - He's a criminal anyway, might as well allow them to base or do jobs for gangs. Increase knockout time to at least 40 seconds. Also it would help if 90% of kidnappers didn't just bludgeon you to take your guns and smeg off down the road with them, out of the past 10 times I have been knocked out not a single one was for being kidnapped, just to loot me.

Few pointers I'd like to make from experience and general knowledge on darkrp's playerbase:

1. It's filled with more kids than usual now, which means they aren't used to a more relaxed/mature gameplay similar to ByB. (Such as no adverting etc.)
What this means is we need to find a way to get some of the younger players interested in the server which will be hard because nearly every server you go on nowadays literally gives every child a free moderator rank just for literally showing up and asking. This also means that kids are used to admins being EVERYWHERE on every server spying on everyone and being there to cater to their every stupid need.

For example: Kid tries to mug someone, victim pulls a gun and slams the kid, kid cries to admin, admin says it's okay because byb doesn't follow the cancerous fearrp stuff, kid gets salty and is upset admins don't follow all of his stupid demands and hates the server due to it.

2. Gun Dealer, shotguns and handguns legal by default is stupid. Just require licensing for legal guns, what gun is legal should be determined by what the Gun Dealer sells, bring in more variety to the gun dealers to sell rather than 4 shotguns and a few handguns. Simply winchester 73 and M24's could be added to the gun dealer.

3. Familiarity - As I stated before what people see as familiar might get their attention, maybe do a slight rework of the rules or commands to suit some of the newer players. Such as making "@" in chat automatically transmit to the /report chat. Also possibly a server name change for example "ByB RP#4 | Jobs | Cars | M9K | Wire | $10,000 start" people seem to like servers that tell you the starting cash for some reason.

4. Helping newer players - Like I was mentioning about cash above, a lot of newer players instantly get raided or can't afford anything. I understand that your dedicated players have millions already but comparing to the average player who comes to just enjoy themselves and start playing seems to have problems getting money. The iron printers are garbage usually, we should just start printers back at silver like the old days (also for the love of god make silver printers silver again) and possibly bring back normal keypad doors since they seem to understand those more than the current one we have. (I honestly don't mind either)

5. Possible events - Possibly do a free supporter week or 2 to show newer players what we have to offer as well as maybe introducing some new jobs or revamped jobs. Easily add "Free VIP" to your server name (Yes call it VIP, more kids are familiar with the terms VIP or Donator over Supporter) even possibly do supporter discounts during the event. Speaking of new jobs, literally add some pointless jobs for no reason like every other smeg server does, for some reason kids love flying around as "spiderman" doing literally nothing but pretending they are spiderman. It's stupid as smeg but some stupid jobs do get people using them.

This is the end of my rant/opinion whatever. It's badly written but take the time to get some points out that could work and try to implement them.

This is a mix reply to Danrox and DJ



BMD: Will be getting more stuff, will debate the gang thing as i really dont want both bmd's tied up in gangs

SWAT: Already has 250 armor as of about a week ago (Hud doesnt display it correctly) and i didnt think they actually had damage reduction, ima look into it

Master Thief: Going by code he should be faster at cracking/lockpicking, i might have to do some testing and make him even faster.

Gun Pack: Mad Cows can suck a huge cock, we're not going back to that smeg. I've already been modifying the pack to balance some guns, DB shotgun, spas 12, AN94 have all had tweaks. Will be looking to maybe add some other guns

Kidnapper: will be reading and taking a look, dunno whats being done atm


Gun dealer: Will be adding SMG's and maybe the Winchester as suggested.

Server name: IDK why its still called RP4 (Blame conor or pantho???) and agree we should add the 50k starting money

In regards to catering to kids: Im very split atm regarding this, half of me wants to add the bullsmege to get a population but then i know the other roots hate that smeg and are stuck in a loop where they think they can have the server like 2012 and get 64 player counts of new players. Might add new pointless jobs though

Printers: Will buff some of the lower ones slightly and nerf the top end ones. Maybe buff meth again after Weasel buttsmeged it

Superadmins / trusted admins: My current stance has been giving them back more permissions / tools at their disposal and if mass abused, instead of removing for all, just demoting the admin. I smeging hate how ByB punishes everyone for the actions of a single person. Gun spawning will be going tho


Free Mod / Supporter: Free mod/admin is currently set to expire on server reboot, might revert depending on what the other roots say.

Free supporter is something we could potentially do but the problem is it would give access to E2 to any smegter who joined, also not my decision to make


AutoMerge: July 29, 2018, 05:24 pm


This is a mix reply to Danrox and DJ



BMD: Will be getting more stuff, will debate the gang thing as i really dont want both bmd's tied up in gangs

SWAT: Already has 250 armor as of about a week ago (Hud doesnt display it correctly) and i didnt think they actually had damage reduction, ima look into it

Master Thief: Going by code he should be faster at cracking/lockpicking, i might have to do some testing and make him even faster.

Gun Pack: Mad Cows can suck a huge cock, we're not going back to that smeg. I've already been modifying the pack to balance some guns, DB shotgun, spas 12, AN94 have all had tweaks. Will be looking to maybe add some other guns

Kidnapper: will be reading and taking a look, dunno whats being done atm


Gun dealer: Will be adding SMG's and maybe the Winchester as suggested.

Server name: IDK why its still called RP4 (Blame conor or pantho???) and agree we should add the 50k starting money

In regards to catering to kids: Im very split atm regarding this, half of me wants to add the bullsmege to get a population but then i know the other roots hate that smeg and are stuck in a loop where they think they can have the server like 2012 and get 64 player counts of new players. Might add new pointless jobs though

Printers: Will buff some of the lower ones slightly and nerf the top end ones. Maybe buff meth again after Weasel buttsmeged it

Superadmins / trusted admins: My current stance has been giving them back more permissions / tools at their disposal and if mass abused, instead of removing for all, just demoting the admin. I smeging hate how ByB punishes everyone for the actions of a single person. Gun spawning will be going tho


Free Mod / Supporter: Free mod/admin is currently set to expire on server reboot, might revert depending on what the other roots say.

Free supporter is something we could potentially do but the problem is it would give access to E2 to any smegter who joined, also not my decision to make

BMD = has Tommy gun, winchester, lockpick, keypad cracker
GD = has some smgs, winchester, some AR's

SWAT = Working as intended. has 250 armor and no damage reduction, doesnt have speed boost.

Master thief =  keypad cracking is increased. lockpicking isnt but will be looked at.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2018, 05:24 pm by Jelman »






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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2018, 05:40 pm »
Jelman add a scrapper class to salavge cars. Another job, less broken cars in the rode and it actually makes sense!

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2018, 05:45 pm »
Jelman add a scrapper class to salavge cars. Another job, less broken cars in the rode and it actually makes sense!
Or allow Mechanics to do this as a side job too.  If no one claims the cars they can tow them and eventually scrap them. 

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Re: Change map from rp_downtown_tits_v1 to rp_downtown_v4c_v2
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2018, 02:19 pm »
Why are we focusing so much on jobs and stuff when there's no one to feel the jobs. Plain and simple need a smaller map, fill up a small map then consider a big map, change gang rules like back in the day. No doctor pills and stuff, just medkits and the wand. Thiefs run around 150 hp 150 armor. Stupid auto spas its lame and no fun. BYB added to many things but really it was our minimal content and player bases that was the most exciting. We had to interact and stuff.